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	<title>Comments on: Obi-Wan Kenobi: Wise Mentor or Demented Sociopath?</title>
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		<title>By: Darth Lightsaber</title>
		<link>http://www.mattdude.com/127/obi-wan-kenobi-wise-mentor-or-demented-sociopath/comment-page-1#comment-2838</link>
		<dc:creator>Darth Lightsaber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Apr 2010 14:17:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Maybe he believed that sacrificing two lives to save the entire galaxy was a fair bargain, at least from a certain point of view&quot;
You need to think along the lines of Spock - &lt;&gt;

Or something like that :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Maybe he believed that sacrificing two lives to save the entire galaxy was a fair bargain, at least from a certain point of view&#8221;<br />
You need to think along the lines of Spock &#8211; &lt;&gt;</p>
<p>Or something like that :)</p>
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		<title>By: Mattdude</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mattdude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 00:21:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey thanks for your post, Patchdude (and sorry about the technical difficulties ;). You make a lot of great points, especially about the &quot;twofer&quot; lesson! Never really thought about it that way.

It&#039;s interesting you mention the idea of Lucas changing the cantina scene, because out of all the arguments I present, I think the one about Ponda Baba is the strongest because it&#039;s something we actually see on screen and not merely speculation on my part. I still think it shows wanton brutality on Obi-Wan&#039;s part. Seems like he could have Force-pushed Ponda out of the way or pulled the gun into his hand. I never thought about the idea of Obi taking that opportunity to demonstrate Jedi power to Luke but that&#039;s an interesting idea.

Regarding Obi-Wan&#039;s achieving immortality, I&#039;ve actually thought about that a bit and considered that it might disprove my theor.y My only argument against that is that Vader was basically evil up until a few minutes before his death. It seems true that one can turn back to the light just prior to death and still become a ghost, even if after living a life of evil.

As for Obi-Wan&#039;s experience with the clones, it&#039;s a good question. I&#039;m not sure if he ever had contact with them after the war. Investigate this, I must. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey thanks for your post, Patchdude (and sorry about the technical difficulties ;). You make a lot of great points, especially about the &#8220;twofer&#8221; lesson! Never really thought about it that way.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s interesting you mention the idea of Lucas changing the cantina scene, because out of all the arguments I present, I think the one about Ponda Baba is the strongest because it&#8217;s something we actually see on screen and not merely speculation on my part. I still think it shows wanton brutality on Obi-Wan&#8217;s part. Seems like he could have Force-pushed Ponda out of the way or pulled the gun into his hand. I never thought about the idea of Obi taking that opportunity to demonstrate Jedi power to Luke but that&#8217;s an interesting idea.</p>
<p>Regarding Obi-Wan&#8217;s achieving immortality, I&#8217;ve actually thought about that a bit and considered that it might disprove my theor.y My only argument against that is that Vader was basically evil up until a few minutes before his death. It seems true that one can turn back to the light just prior to death and still become a ghost, even if after living a life of evil.</p>
<p>As for Obi-Wan&#8217;s experience with the clones, it&#8217;s a good question. I&#8217;m not sure if he ever had contact with them after the war. Investigate this, I must. :)</p>
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		<title>By: Voidious</title>
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		<dc:creator>Voidious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 18:41:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This sucks, this is total BS! Oh wait, SWEET, I found my long lost comment in my browser cache! Yeah, Chrome!
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Honestly (and as I&#039;ve stated), this is one theory I just can&#039;t back you up on, bro.

- Obi-wan telling Luke that Vader killed his father and later clarifying his point is, to me, a defining aspect of the Star Wars trilogy and the Jedi way (under its original interpretation). Obi-wan is moral enough not to lie to him, but detached enough that he truly felt he wasn&#039;t, which allowed him to bend the truth to inspire Luke; at the same time, his bending of the truth and Luke later realizing it was *also* a lesson to Luke! It&#039;s like a twofer.
- Obi-wan was certainly capable of orchestrating the murder of Lars and Beru, so there&#039;s no definitive proof that he didn&#039;t; I will, however, say that I don&#039;t think he would have achieved immortality as a ghost if he had been so immoral.
- The clone troopers *were* quite skilled in the prequel trilogy, which is the last time that Obi-wan encountered them, right?
- If he could get away with it, I bet Lucas would reverse the Obi-wan dismemberment of Ponda Baba like he did Han&#039;s shooting first, but I don&#039;t think it even matters. It&#039;s possible mind tricks don&#039;t work on that race. Perhaps he&#039;ll regrow his limb, being an unknown alien race, in which case it served well as impressing Luke with the power of a Jedi while it didn&#039;t really permanently injure Ponda Baba (another twofer). All those possibilities aside, dude pulled a blaster on him, so it doesn&#039;t strike me as excessive at all to respond with force.
- Does it not require an intense amount of sanity, discipline, and enlightenment to attain Jedi ghost form?

To me, it&#039;s just too much of a stretch, and I think it would damage the plot more than add to it, so I just can&#039;t believe that it is intended this way (ie, *is* this way) nor choose to view it this way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This sucks, this is total BS! Oh wait, SWEET, I found my long lost comment in my browser cache! Yeah, Chrome!<br />
&#8212;<br />
Honestly (and as I&#8217;ve stated), this is one theory I just can&#8217;t back you up on, bro.</p>
<p>- Obi-wan telling Luke that Vader killed his father and later clarifying his point is, to me, a defining aspect of the Star Wars trilogy and the Jedi way (under its original interpretation). Obi-wan is moral enough not to lie to him, but detached enough that he truly felt he wasn&#8217;t, which allowed him to bend the truth to inspire Luke; at the same time, his bending of the truth and Luke later realizing it was *also* a lesson to Luke! It&#8217;s like a twofer.<br />
- Obi-wan was certainly capable of orchestrating the murder of Lars and Beru, so there&#8217;s no definitive proof that he didn&#8217;t; I will, however, say that I don&#8217;t think he would have achieved immortality as a ghost if he had been so immoral.<br />
- The clone troopers *were* quite skilled in the prequel trilogy, which is the last time that Obi-wan encountered them, right?<br />
- If he could get away with it, I bet Lucas would reverse the Obi-wan dismemberment of Ponda Baba like he did Han&#8217;s shooting first, but I don&#8217;t think it even matters. It&#8217;s possible mind tricks don&#8217;t work on that race. Perhaps he&#8217;ll regrow his limb, being an unknown alien race, in which case it served well as impressing Luke with the power of a Jedi while it didn&#8217;t really permanently injure Ponda Baba (another twofer). All those possibilities aside, dude pulled a blaster on him, so it doesn&#8217;t strike me as excessive at all to respond with force.<br />
- Does it not require an intense amount of sanity, discipline, and enlightenment to attain Jedi ghost form?</p>
<p>To me, it&#8217;s just too much of a stretch, and I think it would damage the plot more than add to it, so I just can&#8217;t believe that it is intended this way (ie, *is* this way) nor choose to view it this way.</p>
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